Love, Simon star Clark Moore’s new podcast, Soul Balm, is all about making people feel good.
The series launched earlier this month and showcases intimate, healing, and spiritual conversations with guests like Keiynan Lonsdale, Bowen Yang, Adam Rippon, Harley Quinn, Tommy Dorfman, and Esther Povitsky, among others.
The latest episode, which releases tomorrow, features 13 Reasons Why and Ratched star, Brandon Flynn, who opens up about what it’s like to date someone in the public eye as well as his views on the current political climate. Turns out, being famous isn’t what it’s hyped up to be when it comes to romance.
Flynn, who dated nonbinary singer Sam Smith for nine months before splitting in 2018, explained that "there have been times where I’ve gotten really furious because it feels like I have a third party in a relationship that I didn’t sign up for," adding that "it’s just not normal."
Flynn, who has been linked on social media and press to other celebrities, goes on to say that he wishes his relationships were between him and his partner, not between him, his partner, and a third party publication.
Of course, these are feelings Flynn has had for a while.
In a similar 2019 interview with Variety, he said of being in the public eye, "It's hard not to feel like something in my personal life is not being scandalized because that's kind of the way it feels when you read headlines about yourself, especially when you read headlines that have this big bang to them . . . it's all just something to egg on some sort of rumor cycle that will just keep going around until you finally get something that will actually just make it all true or false. So, it's hard not to feel scandalized."
Later in the Soul Balm interview, Moore compliments Flynn for creating a "space to amplify voices of people who are doing the work constantly" for the Black Lives Matter movement.
"I’m late because I’ve had privilege to not have to think about those things," Flynn admitted, adding that he started to figure out "what allyship means" this past May following the killing of George Floyd.
Flynn shared that the 13 Reasons Why cast sat down to have an open discussion about the show reflecting the current protests against white supremacy and police brutality, which made Flynn admit, “I didn’t even know how to think about this, but it’s clearly hurting people I care about. People I’ve worked with.”
He says he grappled with, “what’s my responsibility here, and why have I been so adamant about not having responsibility.” Flynn, who had not used his platform to speak out as an activist in this space until recently, now he “disagrees with that version of Brandon completely.”
“I have visibility, I have every responsibility to make sure with social media, and with the work environment, I am expressing what my beliefs systems are,” he said. “And my beliefs are, that everyone is on an equal playing field.”
Flynn added that he's begun having open conversations with activists on Instagram to better understand his privilege and to “be part of this conversation, and be part of the helping hand.”
Moore and Flynn’s full conversation will drop on Wednesday, September 16. Listen to previous episodes of Soul Balm online.