Ladies and gentlemen, Chris Kelly!
The first openly gay head writer of comedy crown jewel Saturday Night Live is having quite the year. In addition to his new job, Kelly’s highly personal film Other People is now screening in select theaters.
The movie is a heartbreaking, dark comedy about David, a New York sketch writer (Jesse Plemons), who returns home to care for his dying mother (Molly Shannon).
Out: I’d love if you could speak about the autobiographical nature of Other People.
Chris Kelly: Well, in real life I’m married with a wife and kids. The best way I can describe it is it’s very, very loosely autobiographical. The bones of it are true, the big picture stuff. I’m a comedy writer, I’m gay, I’m from Sacramento, I moved home to be with my mother while she was sick, and she ultimately died of cancer. The big things are true. But then scene by scene, moment by moment, character action by character action—a lot of those things are kind of invented, or changed, or modified.
When did you decide to make a movie about your experience with your mother?
There wasn’t a specific moment, but after my first season of SNL, I had the summer off, and after the year you don’t really know if you’re going to get hired back or not, and I just wanted to write something on my own. I come from a comedy background, and I had only ever written comedy before, and mostly sketch comedy, so I wanted to do something that was more of a sustained narrative. Basically I asked myself: If I wasn’t writing under the umbrella of another show, in another show’s voice, what would my voice be on its own?
What specifically did you see in Molly and Jesse that made you cast them?
Well, Jesse was the first person who said he’d do the movie, and that was a year-and-a-half before we even knew it was going to be a thing. I was truly fascinated by him. I feel like people always say he’s our generation’s Philip Seymour Hoffman. He’s such a legitimately fascinating, chameleon-like actor, and it’s true. He just has that “it” factor. Every role he does is a complete 180 from the role before it. Friday Night Lights, to Breaking Bad, to Fargo, to Olive Kitteridge.
It’s so sad.
It’s difficult to see Molly Shannon lose her voice. And as much as that sucks to watch, it felt true, because that’s how I felt watching it happen to my mom. It really was a good approximation for how it felt to me, so it felt effective. She’s just wonderful—and she’s the nicest person in the world, too.
And you have some legends in the cast! June Squibb and Matt Walsh, a founder of the Upright Citizens Brigade (UCB). How amazing.
I felt sort of embarrassed because we would reach out to these people, and, June Squibb is a perfect example, we sent her the script and [her team] responded: “June Squibb wants to call and talk about it.” I felt so silly calling June Squibb to talk about my little movie. She had every right to go, Of course not! I’m June Squibb! So every time these people liked the script, or related to it, it was just wonderful. I was so lucky.
There's a child actor in the film, J. J. Totah, who truly gives one of the most unreal performances I’ve ever seen. Is that autobiographical? Who is that?
J.J. Totah is incredible. That is autobiographical-ish. In my real life experience, with my mother, I had a very close friend who had a much younger family member who moved in—this kind of over the top, very self-sexualized, very confident young child. And this child was very comfortable in his own skin, and it was sort of beautiful. The performance itself was funny, and confident, and provocative, and maybe too sexy for the child’s age. But I do remember just being wowed by it. I remember laughing, and my friend turning to me, and going, “Shut the fuck up. You’re laughing because you’re uncomfortable, and this kid is a million times more comfortable than you’ll ever be.” He cut me down so hard, and it really stuck with me, because I thought, Oh, shit. That is what I’m doing, by laughing at this.
Zach Woods, who plays David's ex-boyfriend, and Jesse are both straight in real life. I’m interested to hear your thoughts on casting two straight actors in gay roles.
It was just one by one by one. We didn’t cast them all in a day. And I’ve known Zach for a long time, and he loved the script, which was really nice. And I just thought he would be so good for the role, because he’s funny, but he’s warm, and he has the ability to improvise comedically, but also just naturally. It’s not just improv, joke, joke, joke, joke, joke.
He just has a warmth about him, too. And it sounds pretentious, but he just has a sense of “home” about him. I can picture the main character going back and being in bed with Zach Woods and feeling nice and comfortable, and you feel sort of bummed out that it didn’t work between them. It was more about that actor. I was drawn to Zach. So one at a time I just compiled people who I thought could bring something to the role.
Do you have a favorite scene in the movie? A favorite moment?
In terms of being a fan of my actors, I really love the scene where Brad and Molly and Jesse are filling out the end-of-life paperwork and Molly and Brad are fighting about whether she’s going to be cremated or not. From an acting standpoint, just watching Molly shift from comedian—teasing her husband, laughing with her husband—and then she’s suddenly upset, and about to cry, and then calms down again. Just as a fan of hers, it was fun and overwhelming to watch.
What are the movies that inspired Other People?
I really like You Can Count on Me, with Mark Ruffalo and Laura Linney. It’s just a very simple brother-sister relationship drama—no bells and whistles—but I think that inspired me a lot. I really like a lot of Alexander Payne movies, like Nebraska and About Schmidt. He does such a good job of showing small town folk and families, and laughing with them. Chuck & Buck and Year of the Dog, which is one of the first things I saw Molly in as a dramatic actor, and thought, Wow, this is great.
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You began your career writing for The Onion, and then went on to Funny or Die before landing SNL on its 37th season. Now, five years later you've just been promoted to head writer, and you're the first openly gay person in history to hold that position. Do you feel a lot of responsibility with the new title?
It’s very cool. I feel a lot of responsibility just in general. It’s a show that has been around for 42 years, and I don’t take this lightly. There haven’t been hundreds and hundreds of head writers, so I feel the weight of, I want to do a good job for the show—for Lorne (Michaels), and for the cast and the writers. But it’s a huge honor. As a gay writer, but as a writer in general, every part of it is exciting. And I got promoted with my best friend Sarah Schneider. So that’s an extra cherry on top, that I get to do it with her, and we started around the same time and we’re such good friends, so it makes it extra fun.
How did you meet her and become a comedy pair?
We basically met on the show. We didn’t really know each other before. We did one small College Humor video together where I acted alongside her. She played Zelda and I played Link? I don’t even know that stuff well enough to know if I’m saying that correctly. We met one day and shot some random video. But that’s it, we weren’t friends. So the real answer is we met on SNL. And then our first year we didn’t really write together too much—we were in different offices. In your first year, you’re just struggling to survive, and figure out what you’re good at and who you’re good at writing with and what works and what doesn’t. I think at the end of the first season we started writing one thing, and it went on the show and it worked. And we wrote together every single week after.
Can you talk about the direction you want to take SNL this season?
Well, I’ve said this before, but it’s only going to be gay now. Every character is gay in a sketch. If you see a waiter in the background, and he doesn’t even have a line, just know he’s gay. (Laughs.) No, I don’t really think there is a direction we take the show. It’s a variety show. The show is best when it has a variety of voices.
Who's the favorite host you’ve had on, and who's your dream host?
Favorite host is Larry David. It’s sort of a cheat—he was on the show all year last year. Me and Sarah got to write the Bernie Sanders stuff with him. Then when he hosted, we got to do that Curb Your Enthusiasm parody. But even for all the other live sketches—he was so funny, and game for anything. My dream host is Julia Louis-Dreyfus, which already happened. Some people who stand out—Channing Tatum was great. Chris Hemsworth. They seem like typical “guys’ guys,” but they’re not that. They’re so funny, and normal, and they don’t have a deal about them. They were so easy to work with. Everyone just loved them.
Would you say, specifically, in this gay lens, has there been a gay comedian or actor who’s paved the way for you, or are you just doing it on your own?
Mike White is the best example of that, because I love his work, and I admire him. He’s done bigger movies, comedies, but then he’ll take the time to write a really small, private, personal movie, like Year of the Dog. His ability to work in all the different spaces really inspires me.
Do you feel like it’s still a straight man’s world in comedy?
I think it’s somewhere in between. It probably gets better every day and week and month and year. The more LGBTQ people writing and creating and directing, the better it is for everybody. And that’s not just true of sexualities, people of different races, and religions— there’s a million other ways there needs to be more diversity in Hollywood. It’s always strange to think of myself in the macro sense. I think there’s still work to be done, but it is very inspiring to see a little more visibility in characters and scripts. We’re not all done, but we’re moving in the right direction.
What was the first sketch you saw on SNL?
The ones that stick out to me are that era of Molly, and Cheri Oteri. That’s when I was in high school and drawn to the women of SNL. I remember being drawn to the “Morning Latte” sketches with Cheri Oteri and Will Ferrell. I’d transcribe them and then perform them. Or the “Cheerleaders,” or the “Schweddy Balls.”
What’s the hardest you’ve laughed in recent memory?
On Tuesday nights we sit down and write the sketches for that week, and it ends up being me and Sarah and Kate (McKinnon) and Aidy (Bryant) in a room all night laughing so hard we become legitimately worried that one of us has peed ourselves.
SNL returns to NBC Oct. 1 at 11:30 p.m. Eastern.
Other People is now playing in select theaters and on iTunes. Watch the trailer below: