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Michael Musto

Peter Hermann On Playing Judi Dench’s Gay Son-In-Law

Plus: Gay secrets from Michael Lucas, Lea DeLaria & Perez Hilton

Photo: Andrew H. Walker/Getty Images

Philomena--the Stephen Frears-directed film about a teen mom who nasty nuns forced to give her son away--can be read as a blistering attack on certain members of the Irish-Catholic church, with some lovely digs at homophobic Republicans thrown in, too. The staunch church ladies are particularly shown having as little regard for unwed mothers as for any other types of people who've had sex and enjoyed it. But believe it or not, there's a lot of delightful banter along the way, thanks to the older, still-searching Philomena, as played by the universally revered Judi Dench.

You haven't lived until you've seen Dench saying that she knew her son was gay, "but I just wondered if he might be bicurious." She also freely utters the terms "gay homosexual" and "beard" and says she's fully aware that some guys don't like to use condoms because it doesn't feel as good. This is one instinctually savvy lady, one who seems to know most of the answers, even as she's desperately looking for them. And she makes mention of her clitoris, too!

Playing the son's boyfriend is Peter Hermann, known from Law & Order: Special Victims Unit, Broadway's War Horse, and many other projects of stage and screen. In his early days, Hermann taught special-ed and fact-checked at Vanity Fair before making it as an actor, bringing poignant charm to his role as the guy who fills Philomena in on some details of what her son represented. In my talk with Peter, we may have dabbled in some filmic SPOILERS, so please be aware--but I'm still quite sure you gay homosexuals will get a kick out of every word.

Musto: Hi, Peter. Your character, Pete Olson, was very much in love with Philomena's son.

Peter Hermann: The first time you see the relationship portrayed is through a photo of the two of us together. I like the way that photo came out. It looks like two people who are very, very happy.

And it's so great that Philomena is perfectly OK with all that.

I love the way she receives her son. It's such a non-event for her. I say "receives" instead of "embraces" because there's slightly less fanfare to the word. "Embraces" is saying too much, like it's this magnanimous act on her part. It's just not. I like the way that's portrayed. The way it registers with her is beautiful.

But not every character is quite so accepting. What is the film's point of attack, in your eyes?

Hypocrisy, and falsehood in the way that God is represented on this earth. The justifying of personal rage with a religious stance. In the sense that someone says, "Women who have had babies out of wedlock deserve to suffer and sometimes even die." I have respect for the fact that somebody believes that is not right.

Speaking of the divine, what was it like to work with Judi Dench?

Very well put.

Thanks. I'm great at segues.

I've told people she was one of the three most-compelling people I've ever met. [Peter's wife, the famed Mariska Hargitay, is one of the other two. He couldn't remember the third one, so they couldn't have been that compelling, LOL.] I don't know that I've been around someone who is that authentically curious about life and available to what and who is around her. Not at all in a way where you get a sense that she's chosen this as some winning way to be: "This is the face I'm going to present to the world because it's charming." She is disarmingly authentic. It's simply the way she is. Not to say it doesn't cost her. Her degree of openness is probably not the easiest way to exist in the world. When Stephen Frears would give her a note, she was so curious as to how that point would translate into what she does next. She was genuinely interested--and deeply playful, in the best way. And so good at what she does.

So what you're saying is she was a total bitch, right?

Very difficult. [laughs]

Well, there's one thing that makes me curious. Your other favorite person, Mariska, has said that she fell in love with you when you went to church together. Explain, please.

I invited her to church. That was our official date.

So sexy.

[Laughs] She sat next to me and cried. I thought, "I wonder why she was moved." She told me afterward that she was thinking, "I think I'm gonna marry this guy." I'll take that over being moved by the sermon. It was a sermon on beauty.

So you're religious?

I am. I've gone through phases. As with any relationship, my relationship with God ebbs and flows and changes and deepens and becomes more complex. There are things that open up to me that I didn't know before. There's an expression, "If you feel far away from God, guess who moved?" That's one of the things I like about the movie so much. There are people with deeply different faith positions. If you live as an atheist or agnostic, that's still a faith position. We divide the world into those who have faith and those who don't, but they're conflicting faith positions. That's what we have in the movie. You get the sense that these people [Philomena and the journalist helping her on her quest, played by Steve Coogan] have deeply affected each other and challenged the way they think. That's a beautiful thing to portray.

If you asked people if forgiveness is a good thing, 99-perccent would say yes. Or grace--a slightly less fraught word. And yet, the moment when we see this act of grace on Philomena's part, when she forgives the nun, you're outraged, and that's such a cool thing to play. We want grace to be extended to us, but when we see it in the face of an egregious act, we're like, "Wait a minute."

I actually wasn't outraged by it at all. It's nice to be in the 1-percent for a change. Congrats on the movie, Peter. Thanks for respecting my faith position.

Mariah01x600SECRETS AND THIGHS AT THE OUT100

And now back to those of us who play LGBT characters every moment of the tutti frutti year. The Out100 celebration at the vast Terminal 5 the other night was a joyous concatenation of accomplished folk being honored by their queers, I mean their peers, in the midst of the highest level of gay schmoozing since the last Oscars. All night, I prowled the amazing crowd, getting quotes from the honorees, their admirers, and their exes, and here are the gemlike conversational gambits I came up with:

What's Michael Lucas's favorite kind of gay? "The kind I can easily take advantage of," the porn titan told me, without pausing. Do satirical rapper Cazwell's fun videos (like his latest, "No Selfie Control") help his career? "It is my career," he replied, sensibly. What's happening in honoree Lea DeLaria's life, pray tell? "Many, many meetings," she informed me. "I'm not disclosing anything at the moment." "Are you the new face of Clairol, perchance?" I smirked. "Well, I'm the new face of Saint Harridan," she said, showing off a fab ensemble by that designer of suits for women. What drag queen is Perez Hilton most taken by in NYC? "Jinkx Monsoon," he answered, enthusiastically. (I knew he wasn't going to say Lady Gaga.)

And there was Jinkx himself two fabulous feet away, so I asked the drag star (who made the Out100 list) if he ever wanted to be a woman. "No," said Jinkx, "I just wanted to get to wear women's clothes." "What's your favorite kind of gay?" I repeated the same to the Gayletter editors, Abi Benitez and Tom Jackson? "A bottom," blurted Abi. Same question for radio host Stephanie Miller. "You!" she responded. "Fun and fabulous!" Finally, the correct answer. I thought it would never come.

And is honoree David Knapp, who was dismissed as a Boy Scouts volunteer in the '90s when they learned he was gay, happy with the Scouts' new policies? "It's half a loaf," he said, "and it never would have happened without the efforts of myself and the other people rallying against them all these years." If Stephen Frears ever wants to direct a male answer to Philomena, this is definitely the story.

Some fascinating stuff was happening onstage too, especially when Lee Daniels accepted his honor with a moving pretaped speech, and then Mariah Carey oozed out in the flesh and paid tribute to her director from Precious and The Butler. "I don't know why they asked me to be here," she smiled, "but my boobs have been out for years!" And speaking of exposed body parts,Jonathan Groffand his castmates presented exclusive clips from HBO's upcoming Looking series, Groff murmuring, "I'm afraid my penis is gonna be on the screen right now." It wasn't, but I'll definitely be, you know, looking. Cheers, big ears.

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Michael Musto

Why Teen Idols Are Essential to Achieving Gay Puberty

Also: Cabaret Is Back on Broadway, And So Is Evita!

Whenever the expression "teen idol" is invoked, it's usually followed by sayings like "screaming girls" or "squealing, pubescent females". What's almost always left out of the equation is that screaming boys are out there too, often being ushered into their sexuality by the sight of fetching looking male singers whose rotating pelvises are squarely aimed at the teen market.

Traditionally, teen idols are cute, wispy, and androgynous, so they're appealing without being all that threatening. But they're sexy--to members of all genders. And throughout the years, many of them were gay themselves--though in the days of Roddy McDowall, George Maharis, and Richard Chamberlain, that certainly wasn't spoken (except when Maharis was busted for soliciting sex from a man in a Shell Station in 1974. His teenie days were long gone by then anyway. So were Chamberlain's when he came out at 69.)

Whatever their sexuality, teen idols tend to exude sexuality in ways that make pulses race and knees buckle, even when it's done with subtle suggestion. When I came of age in the 1960s and beyond, TV's Tarzan, Ron Ely, helped me swing into puberty on a very long vine. I couldn't get enough of that show, and was relieved that my parents never figured out why. I was also raving mad for a dimpled TV actor/singer Bobby Sherman, who always wore very tight pants, and David Cassidy, the long haired and pretty heartthrob from TV's rockin' romp The Partridge Family, who also seemed to paint his clothes on. (Later on, Sean Cassidy, David's younger half-brother, melted young hearts while scoring as a singer and TV star himself for a while.) They were all beautiful, smiling, and engagingly packaged, with nice hair, and they perhaps unwittingly made things easier for young gays looking for some visual icons to hang their hormones onto.

When you're first developing sexual feelings, the omnipresent sight of these young 'throbs in carefully half-buttoned shirts or skimpy bathing suits tends to confirm them. Watching them make appearances on talk shows and variety shows and seeing the reaction from the girls in the live audience underscores the fact that your feelings are on target--these are attractive people worth yelping about. In the '60s and '70s, I would routinely buy teen magazines, and it didn't look weird to people since I was a teen, after all--but I was actually buying them to ogle the sexy photos of my favorite male stars and burn them into memory for all time. (I can still remember a hot shot of Mickey Dolenz from the pre-fab musical group the Monkees, looking adorable in swimwear. He was my favorite Monkee--though I wouldn't have thrown any of them out of my fantasies.)

It's sad the way that generation of teen idols obviously held onto some issues about their gay connection, preferring not to rock the love boat. Even in the '90s, when I interviewed my old crush David Cassidy on the phone, he seemed to get nervous when I asked him about his gay fans; he promptly wrapped up the interview. Dial tone! Some teen idols are afraid of scaring away their female fans by admitting guys are into them too. Maybe they think the girls can't fantasize that the idol is their boyfriend if they know boys are doing the same. (And whatever the idol thinks, there's always an impresario projecting his own often self-loathing demands.)

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But not all of them are so cowering. The strictures of the teen world changed with former 'N Sync member Lance Bass coming out in 2006. Lance said he purposely waited till the group was kaput, so as not to overshadow them all with this gossip. But at least it woke femme audiences up to the fact that their favorite male wiggling his tuchus up there all those years liked guys--a lot. An even greater advance happened when rouged singer Adam Lambert came out in 2009, three weeks after the finale of that season's American Idol. I'd been saying Lambert should have come out even before that, but being honest as his career was about to launch was still a great move, and sent an important message. A teen idol can be gay. And you know what? The girls still screamed for him anyway.

With examples like that, today's idols seem blessed with a whole new brand of pixie dust. Nick Jonas not only doesn't mind having gay fans, he dropped his pants for photos, played gay bars, gives yay-gay speeches, and caters to us like crazy. Others--like Justin Bieber (who seems to have calmed down somewhat) and One Direction--carry on the cheekboned androgyny that makes both boys and girls weak. Their amorphously sexy ways are no doubt helping a whole new generation of burgeoning gays feel mightily awakened.

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And just recently, the wiry Aaron Carter--younger brother of Backstreet Boys' Nick Carter--announced that he was breaking up with his girlfriend because she couldn't handle his bisexuality. (She later voiced a disagreement with that, saying it wasn't a problem for her at all.) Years ago, I met Aaron at the opening of a gay club, and when I asked what brought him there, he said it was "friends and family night." His obviously gay handler--a mature man--suddenly got nervous and pulled Aaron away from me. But it's all good now. Aaron came out as bisexual. Yay, teen idol! Ain't no lie, baby, bi, bi bi.

THE PRINCE AND THE SHOWGIRLS

The prodigiously talented Hal Prince has won 21 Tonys (including three special ones) for directing and/or producing important works of musical theater like Company, Follies, Evita and Phantom of the Opera. That leads to Prince of Broadway, a revue of his work, though revues generally make more sense when they deal with the people who actually wrote the material. (2010's Sondheim on Sondheim was an incisive look at the composer's oeuvre, complete with Sondheim's own commentary via video). In this case, we're looking at snippets that Prince directed--and this time, it's directed by him while codirected by Susan Stroman, who also did the choreography. We're seeing the work, naturally, with different actors, but also with lower production values, and also with limited narration, which has the cast assuming the role of Prince and offering airy tidbits while studiously perching glasses on their heads as he famously does. After being informed that the young Prince aggressively pursued director George Abbott for a job, we're told that Prince has dared to tackle unconventional ideas for musicals; that he's worked with talented people; that luck is part of the game; and that sometimes an artistic success is a commercial failure and vice versa. There's precious little about his creative process, his approach to material and actors, or his actual choices.

Fortunately, the talented and game cast delivers some knockout set pieces, as a segment on one show (featuring several songs from it) drifts to a quick set change and a segment on another show. Broadway veteran Emily Skinner does a nice "Send in The Clowns" (from A Little Night Music) and a potent "Now You Know" from Merrily We Roll Along. (In that case, I liked the choice of a not so obvious number. In other instances, the biggies are included--like "Don't Cry For Me, Argentina"--because of their importance, and also because the tourists would no doubt riot in the aisles over their exclusion.) Brandon Uranowitz and Bryona Marie Parham are terrific in a She Loves Me segment, and Parham delivers again by belting out "Cabaret" from that groundbreaking show (though she's made to weirdly lean on the word "corpse," as if we've never heard that joke before). Tony winner Karen Ziemba is best as a zesty Mrs. Lovett in a Sweeney Todd song. And Tony Yazbeck scores with an angstily danced "The Right Girl" from Follies. ("Waiting For The Girls Upstairs" from the same show is hauntingly done by the ensemble.) Perhaps my favorite is Chuck Cooper, an unsung Broadway hero, who makes the max out of numbers from Damn Yankees, Fiddler on the Roof, and Showboat. But then there will be some clunkers. And some lame bit of narration. And the realization that you've seen all these shows done with more expensive chandeliers.

By the finale, when the entire cast sings an original Jason Robert Brown song called "Do The Work," you're wondering if you're supposed to do the work to connect the show's many dots. Still, Prince of Broadway is a mixed bag that theater maniacs might find worth grabbing into, for the showmanship and history it celebrates.

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