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OUT100: Billy Porter, Performance of the Year

“I was so busy trying to fit in, and then it was like, You don’t fit in, and you ain’t supposed to fit in.”

It's rare to see an actor sustain a flawless performance through a two-hour film. On FX's Pose, as the electric ball emcee Pray Tell, Billy Porter did it through a season of eight one-hour episodes, segueing from clocking competitors on the year's fiercest runway to mourning the loss of his on-screen lover to AIDS to sharing tender chemistry with co-star and fellow Out100 honoree Mj Rodriguez -- all without a visible hint of effort. "It had to be Pose," Porter says between takes of this cover shoot, his first for Out. "And I had to be ready for it. I had to live through what I lived through."

Before creator Ryan Murphy called Porter about joining Pose in June 2017, the performer had just come off the previous TV pilot season un-cast, unfulfilled, and in the midst of what he calls a "breakdown."

"I was like, Is this gonna work out? Should I try something else? It's been 30 years now," Porter says. And while those 30 years have surely not been without highlights, his uphill climb suggests he's one of the more resilient stars in showbiz.

Porter was brought up in the Pentecostal church in Pittsburgh, came out as gay at 16, and says that "every bad thing that could happen happened" (that included bullying, condemnation by family, and -- as he revealed to Out.com in a crushing op-ed on October 31 -- childhood sexual abuse). One strength Porter always knew he had, though, was his singing voice, and in 1990, it brought him to New York City, where he landed his first theater role in the original cast of Miss Saigon.

And yet, while also studying acting at Carnegie Mellon, he faced new challenges. "I was pigeonholed into the only thing that the industry could handle at the time: the magical fairy faggot," Porter says. "Don't get me wrong: What I was given was an opportunity to stop the show, but when it came to my humanity, nobody wanted to discuss that."

Porter_billy_out100_101118_0078_fSpend an hour with Porter, and you'll see all the facets of him that also make up Pray Tell: the excitement, the anger, the pain, the gratitude, the irrepressible animation, and, most of all, the spirit. It was also in the '90s that Porter began to grasp his artistic integrity and what he wanted to give the world. As he reminisces he invokes philosophies snagged from Maya Angelou and Oprah. "How can I be of service?" he says. "What does that mean -- service -- in an industry that's inherently narcissistic? How do you do that? You look the motherfuckers in the face who say you have to hide, and you choose authenticity when it's not popular."


But that's not easy for a gay man of color who knows his unique gifts make him "very specific," and alternately too nuanced and too dynamic for the many drab roles he's been offered. It took more of the '90s and some of the 2000s -- when he was releasing some of his first music, eventually living in Los Angeles, and facing rejection while chasing standard notions of fame -- for Porter to really start living his truth. "I didn't even know I wasn't dreaming big enough," he says. "I was so busy trying to fit in, and then it was like, You don't fit in, and you ain't supposed to fit in."

Porter moved back to New York in 2002 "with a new kind of creative identity," writing and directing plays before finding the first two roles in which he actually saw something of himself. One was as Belize in Broadway's 2010 revival of Angels in America; the other was as drag queen Lola in the original run of Kinky Boots -- a role for which he refused to creatively compromise, and one that won him a Tony in 2013. "And this is the service part," Porter says. "Somebody needed me to stand on that stage as a black, out, gay actor, who took every hit that comes with that kind of life, to stand triumphant and be rewarded for making the right decision."

Porter_billy_out100_101118_1310_fHe pauses, muses some more, then later says, "So, the journey to what you're responding to in Pose is all of that. That whole life." Porter praises Murphy as a creative who "understands theater people, and the forgotten person," and Porter, now 49, had long identified as both. He was originally asked to play the dance teacher on the show, and respectfully took the audition but advised it wasn't the best use of his skills. It was then that Murphy wrote Pray Tell for Porter -- a part that has him matching wits with ball consultants like Jack Mizrahi and Twiggy Pucci Garcon, paying tribute to the friends he lost to AIDS in the '90s, and being as "specific" as he wants.


"What I love about being the age I am, and having been in the business for so long," he says, "is that I get to show up, and I don't have to prove that I'm worthy or deserving. It's like, Can he act? That question was on the table for a long time. Today, it's nice, and I'm trying to breathe into it. How am I happy for myself while the world is falling apart? I'm trying to find that balance and lean into the joy while simultaneously going out and fighting every day."

Photography by Martin Schoeller.
Styling by Brandon Garr.
Styling assistant: Kerene Graham.
Groomer: LaSonya Gunter.
Photographed at Schoeller Studio, New York City
Coat by Christian Siriano.
Sweater and pants by Mr. Turk.
Shoes by Giuseppe Zanotti.

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Marko Monroe and Hunter Crenshaw
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Marko Monroe & Hunter Crenshaw on marriage, 'Avalon TV,' & the House of Avalon's future

In an interview with Out, Hunter Crenshaw and Marko Monroe open up about getting married, starting the House of Avalon, and what they see for their future.

RuPaul's Drag Race fans are probably familiar with Marko Monroe and Hunter Crenshaw as members of the House of Avalon — a creative collective based in Los Angeles that's been referenced on the show by season 12 finalist Gigi Goode and season 13 winner Symone. But as of 2023, the group itself landed its own original show, Avalon TV, on WOW Presents Plus — allowing fans to learn even more about Monroe, Crenshaw, and other Avalon members like Rylie, Grant Vanderbilt, and Caleb.

The grand finale of Avalon TV season 2 features adorable, powerful, and emotional scenes of Crenshaw and Monroe getting married in Las Vegas while surrounded by their fellow House of Avalon members. And while we do learn more about their romantic relationship in the series, Out got to kiki with the newlyweds (full video interview above!) and spilled even more tea on their relationship, the origins of the House of Avalon, and how they see this collective evolving in the near future.

"So, my friend Grant [Vanderbilt], who's obviously on the show, was friends with Mark in college," Crenshaw tells Out. "I was in college in Chicago, at the time, in [another] relationship. I came down to visit Grant and my family. Grant was like, 'This boy, he's really interested.' And I was like, 'Okay.' Things weren't going great in Chicago for me at the time, so I ended it in Chicago and came directly back to Arkansas… and that's what happened."

"Yeah, we met in a Sonic drive-in," Monroe adds. "Wasn't it in July?"

Crenshaw replies, "I mean, all of our f*cking anniversaries and sh*t… it's so weird and corny. We met on the 4th of July and started dating on February 14th of the next year [which is Valentine's Day]."

The Vegas wedding scenes shown in the season 2 finale of Avalon TV were filmed in April 2024. While the couple estimates that they've been together for 13 years, there was actually a clear reason behind the decision to not get legally married for so long.

"I have this thing… I'm so anti-establishment and weird," Crenshaw says. Monroe agrees, noting that they see things similarly and weren't in any rush to get through this legal union. "I just didn't think that marriage was for me, and I didn't want to change anything. We had such a good thing together," Crenshaw explains, "But then these past couple years I've been like, 'Let's do it. Let's figure it out.'"

Monroe tells Out, "I just look at it as… it's almost, like, a recommitment. It's really just for us. We would love to have a huge party and celebrate it with all of our friends and stuff… but in that moment, we were in Vegas, hungover, and I thought it was going to be a great idea. It's kind of iconic to do a fly in, fly out wedding."

Crenshaw says, "And I was so happy, at the end of it; I was so glad that we got to share those moments with everybody — the people that love us. There are some solid emotional moments in there, and I hope, when you watch it, it's like you can see the real emotion behind the whole thing."

"Being together for 13 years is pretty difficult, I'm not going to lie," Crenshaw remarks, and Monroe agrees. "And everybody around [us at the wedding], we all live together on the same plot of land, basically." Monroe adds, "They know when we argue, they know everything."

"They can hear me screaming across the street," Crenshaw notes. "And I truly believe that that is what a healthy relationship is. I grew up that way. You just yell it out, and you figure it out, and you move on about your day."

Monroe and Crenshaw were already together when they started the House of Avalon, in 2014, back in Arkansas — a story briefly featured during Symone's run on Drag Race season 13.

"We started it in Arkansas; it was me, Grant, Caleb, Symone, and Marko," Crenshaw recalls when asked about the origins of the House of Avalon. "We kept saying to each other, 'We're going to stick it out. We're going to change the state. We're going to do this.' And I truly believe that we made a dent in the can in Arkansas… in the community, anyway. But it's going to take generations to solve that problem. I was like, 'We've got to think for ourselves.'"

Crenshaw continues, "So we just decided one day that it wasn't fulfilling anymore [to stay] in Arkansas, and it was really after the Trump election. It's one of the most conservative, one of the most red states. It's just brutal. And it's a beautiful state, and we love it, and it's great. But it was just brutal on us, and we were like, 'Okay, we have to move together to make this work.'"

Upon moving to Los Angeles around March 2017, the House of Avalon continued doing what it had been doing in Arkansas, but quickly realized that they needed to expand their horizons. Or, as Monroe describes, "We might as well chase what we want to do, you know?"

And that, they did!

After gaining a global audience through Goode's and Symone's respective Drag Race runs, the House of Avalon has become an incredibly well-respected creative collective admired not only by the talented people within it, but by the very close (and very real) bonds they have with one another.

"If you haven't learned by now, you're really not paying attention, because we're all so close-knit, and I am such a protector of everybody," Crenshaw says. "I want everyone to be good and feel good. It's just so ingrained in my soul to do that for these people."

Thanks to this Avalon TV original series on WOW Presents Plus, fans can literally watch this group working on projects, celebrating achievements, and going through both professional and personal milestones (as a group and as individuals). Namely, Avalon TV has given us actual footage of Gigi Goode getting gender-affirming care, of Symone attending the "camp"-themed Met Gala in 2021, and now Monroe and Crenshaw tying the knot in Las Vegas.

It's been a long journey for these queer creatives to establish themselves in Arkansas, make it out to Los Angeles, start from ground zero, and turn the House of Avalon into what it is today. But now that the house is so successful and well-known, one has to wonder: do Monroe and Crenshaw get flooded with requests of people wanting to join the prestigious Avalon echelon?

"I feel like, in passing, [yes]," Monroe says. "I've had the sort of privilege to travel with Symone and Gigi at different times, like when they've gone out to perform and get to meet fans, which is so much fun and exciting for me as I'm celebrating them. I have heard some, 'How do I join?' but I think it's not even about that."

Monroe elaborates, "The House of Avalon in general is more of an idea. We would much rather see as you in your space, finding your tribe, and building your own extension of [a house]. That is really the thesis of the House of Avalon. So, if you want to join, [my advice is to] find your people."


"And I think, as we get more mature, this is turning into more of a creative operation, a creative directive, a creative house," Crenshaw highlights. "We can help you, or we can talk, and we can do this. I feel like us moving away from nightlife recently has kind of opened up our brains in that way. We can do quite a bit of other things as well."

"Yeah, that's has been a goal for the whole house," Monroe adds. "We do want to be that source of creative outlets; people can come to us and we'll help build them a music video project, or a campaign, or help you conceptualize an outfit."

Crenshaw says, "We've built such a creative space [where] we get together and we just start brainstorming… we come up with the best sh*t. Anything we know, we can come up with. And if we can't, we have a bookshelf, we have a f*cking library, [and] a video closet. We have all this stuff. We can just go pick it right off the shelf and figure it out."

When asked about the future of the House of Avalon, these two love birds — and creative partners — share a similar vision, too.

"We want to be creative. That's what we want to do. That's our ultimate goal," Crenshaw declares. Monroe says, "Yeah, that is the ultimate goal. Right now, as a house, we're kind of collecting more things for the next chapter; that's when I know something else is coming, because everyone's kind of absorbing what they need to absorb… and then we can put our rings together and take over the world."

"We're in this period of 'nightlife has ended' and things are changing in Hollywood," Crenshaw observes. "And we're just like, 'What's going to happen next?' I think that we're gathering all of these things right now, and we're figuring it out."

This writer thinks that "figuring it out" sounds like a massive understatement for a group of people so clearly destined for superstardom — each of them in their own respective lanes, while keeping together this collective that is already taking over Hollywood, starring in one of the very best original shows in the WOW Presents Plus catalog, and slowly proving people wrong about what they can and cannot do. Here's to celebrating queer talent!

The grand finale of Avalon TV season 2 is now streaming on WOW Presents Plus.

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