Peaches' Electro Shocks
By Noah Michelson
I wanted to talk a little bit about the idea of sexual liberation. I think gay liberation is very much tied to sexual liberation. I think that's the reason a lot of gay men see you as --
A gay man?
I'm just kidding.
Definitely an icon.
I think it's fantastic!
What have you learned from gay culture?
Gay culture is always ahead of every other culture because of its openness. There's a certain experience where they have come up against the wild -- where something isn't accepted in the mainstream culture so they've always had a second look. Like, 'Wait a minute, something's not right here. I feel right the way I am but the world tells me it's wrong or Christian culture tells me it's wrong or any religious culture tells me it's wrong.' Obviously it's religion that's the problem, not the way you feel. I just feel they're always a step ahead because they've had to deal with certain things.
You sometimes get painted as this scary, really angry 'femi-Nazi' who hates straight men.
Well that's just completely ridiculous. I'm in a heterosexual relationship, which I would also like my gay and lesbian and bisexual fans to know and accept because when people find out I have a boyfriend they are often really disappointed or whatever. I think that's small minded because I just found someone that I really love and he happens to be a big bear.
[Laughs] We love the bears at Out. The cornerstone of what you do is that everyone should be able to do whatever they want.
Yeah! I don't understand why were not allowed to be who we want to be. That's just ridiculous.
When Impeach My Bush came out one of the reviews said, 'Nothing's really shocking anymore but she definitely tries, so she gets our vote.'
I'm not trying to be shocking. I'm just trying to balance things out.
One of the most radical things on the new album though is this one little line that's in 'Trick or Treat' where you say, 'lick my crow's feet.' I feel like the idea of aging and sexuality --
You can look at Madonna in that way right? She's 50. It's controversial for people. Maybe they love it or maybe they think, 'Give it up! You're so old!' There are so many strong women who have so much influence on mainstream culture at this point, there's no denying them getting older and still being a part of it. It used to be people making fun of older women and men dressing as them. It's a whole new combination of ageists and the way we view age. There is the whole other side where people are insane about their Botox and stuff like that.
I was going to ask you about Madonna specifically and how she's dealing with aging. I know you said before that you weren't a huge Madonna fan when you were growing up --
I was a bigger fan of Madonna interviews and things she said than the music. Cyndi Lauper -- she was the coolest to me. I think Madonna exists in a very real way and that she's chosen to defy [her age] is a choice that should be seen and heard and whatever. On the other hand, you see someone like Patti Smith and I always loved the way she's presented herself with spit on her lip and if there's a piece of snot hanging she leaves it there on purpose. Stuff like that. I think she's totally hot. She just is -- with no makeup. But they're both very important.
There's something even more taboo about the idea of a woman not just growing old -- gracefully or not -- but also still holding onto her sexuality and being seen or presented as a sexual being.
Grace Jones. She's an amazing example with her little ass sticking out at 60 and doing these fucking amazing and really hardcore shows. I don't know if you've seen her new show but it's fantastic and it's not slick. It's real.